Finally at Home in Holmesfield?

This blog explores the possible connection between two women who married the same man, Nathaniel Gee, in the 1790s. The evidence suggests they may have been related through the Marsden family of Holmesfield. If so, it may identify the otherwise unknown origins of Nathaniel’s first wife, Ann Shaw.

The First Wife: Ann Shaw

In 1792 Ann Shaw married boatman and publican Nathaniel Gee at Chesterfield parish church. It turns out banns had also been called for her at Sheffield as 'Ann Shay'. She was about eighteen and her husband twenty-three. The very next year this first wife dies in childbirth, leaving an only child - my ancestor.

But who was Ann Shaw? She was not born 1774 in Wirksworth: mitochondrial-testing has already disproved that. Ultimately her burial at Holmesfield pulls us in. This is definitely not a Gee stronghold and we pick at it like a cat with wool.

The little we already know is that her only child born 1792 at Chesterfield marries 1807 at Rotherham, settles that year in Eyam and produces a dozen children. Among them is Millicent (baptised 1826) my forebear. But what about before Ann, were there any Shaws in the 1700s, perhaps at Holmesfield?

We want to work around Ann's missing baptism to build her tree. I am not sure what first led me to this couple born in the 1740s or 50s but I keep returning to this marriage record:

William Shaw of Dore (part of Sheffield), marrying 1772 at Dronfield to Millicent Marsden of the Lordship of Holmesfield.

They are both buried at Holmesfield two years apart in the 1810s: William’s residence is given as “Eam” (Eyam) while Millicent’s intriguingly was Chesterfield. We hope to be able to rationalise this 'move' a little later. I like them very much. The combination of places suits our geography very well.

The Second Wife: Millicent Damm

Meanwhile Ann's widower Nathaniel Gee married a woman named Millicent: this caught my attention. Three Millicents in as many paragraphs? She appears to be from Holmesfield. This could be another way in, if the two teenage brides were connected to each other.

Nathaniel's second wife is Millicent Damm also known as Amelia who dies in 1832 aged '56', which just about fits with her baptism in January 1778.  This would make her only 16 at her marriage. But more importantly, she's baptised at Holmesfield, the same place the first wife was buried. What if there was a stunning piece of evidence in the next paragraph?

We're ready for the reveal, the second wife's parents are surely:

Thomas Damm of Unthank in the Lordship of Holmesfield, marrying 1768 at Dronfield to Ann Marsden then of Dronfield town.

Ann leaves a will in 1810, residing rather wonderfully at Unthank in 'the Lordship of Holmesfield and Parish of Dronfield'. Among her children named is indeed Millicent (now Gee). 

Initially I misread the evidence and thought this was a dead end. I thought the will showed that Ann was the widow of Stephen Damm and thus nee Bourne. No, reading Ann's will alongside the baptism records clearly demonstrates her children's father was Thomas Damm.

So: 

The second wife is definitely the daughter of Ann Marsden.

The first wife might be the daughter of Millicent Marsden, and we're about to see that these two Marsden women are surely related. I used to call this 'elegant double-proof', but is it?

Quite undeservedly we stumble on this document that I failed to mine five years ago and which is going to help us.

The Administration of William Shaw

Millicent Marsden had married William Shaw. When he dies perhaps without sons in 1815, his estate bondsmen are William Elliott and Benjamin Thompson both of Brampton Moor and environs. William's occupation was victualler at Eyam. I never thought this through. If their daughter was the first wife (who died back in 1792), then there was actually an heir my ancestor Hannah age 23 the granddaughter and wife of William Bagshaw a lead miner at Eyam age 44. Why is Bagshaw not 'doing the honours' and clawing in the funds? Well:

• I did figure out that William Elliott had married Ann Damm.
• I missed however that Benjamin Thompson had married Alice Damm.

In summary they were not random associates but husbands of Ann Marsden's daughters! This surely indicates that we are dealing with 'one' Marsden family.

It looks very much like nephews by marriage are ensuring that the widow Millicent Shaw is being protected from malliflous interests. If I hadn't gone digging on the second wife I doubt I would have identified these gentleman.  

Elliott and Thompson were near neighbours of the family at Old Brampton, and relatively well-off as miller and iron moulder respectively. I think they were conveniently placed advocates, stepping in to safeguard the widow Millicent's 'mite' (under £50). Bagshaw would blench at tackling these younger more socially astute men.

If Millicent was the grandmother of Hannah Bagshaw of Eyam that could explain William Shaw living there and relatives fearing that Millicent would be beholden to a greedy grandson-in-law. I suspect that Millicent removed herself from Eyam to live with her niece and namesake (Mrs Gee) at Chesterfield.

She popped herself down the pecking order by doing so. The Bagshaws hold off until the sixth of their nine daughters is born before calling one Millicent (my forebear) ten years later. 

There is another twist in the burial of William Shaw age forty in early 1814 at Eyam, who could conceivably be the first wife's brother.

Complications and False Trails

Several other Shaw and Marsden references appear in the records but seem unlikely to belong to this family.

1. Eyam stonemason William Shaw or Shore constructed the sundial there in the 1770s/80s. I am jettisoning him as there is nothing to indicate we're in Eyam this early. [Update: looks like it *might* be right as our William was baptised as Shore in Holmesfield in 1748, then of Cold Aston aka Coal Aston.]
2. Millicent Marsden baptised 1756 at Hope, Derbyshire looks alluring. Indeed her brother James 1752 has a daughter named Millicent at Eyam. But Hope and Eyam are miles away from Holmesfield, the key place of the time. I suspect coincidence. In fact I cannot be sure of any Eyam references in the family prior to the first wife's daughter arriving there in 1808.

There was also, unbelievably, another Millicent in the weeds. 

Ann Shaw's widower remarried to her likely cousin. Well in the next generation William Bagshaw had been previously married - to Sarah Hague and I'd already looked into her. Sarah's mother had a familiar first name being Millicent Dalton of Totley, who had married in 1775 at Dronfield - Dronfield again?!

Untangling Millicent Dalton’s place in the web may be a step too far for present sanity. Though - footnote - this Millicent's marriage had first been forbidden by the bride's father!

Incidentally, these registers record the hamlets but frequently neglect wives’ names, a hazard when constructing trees.

The Ellis Connection

There is one baptism at Holmesfield that is worthy of exploration: Robert Ellis Marsden (1767–1844), son of John, who much later names a daughter Millicent.

Robert makes the odd move to farm at Teversal, Mansfield with a John and a William drifting around the same area. I reckon he is the namesake of Robert Ellis junior (d. 1737), a wealthy landowner at Dronfield. Were the Marsdens looking to curry favour with the Ellises or was there a genuine connection? They had land in Cambridgeshire of all places.

Whilst I cannot knit Robert Ellis into the Marsdens he does linger as a future puzzle.

Were Ann and Millicent Marsden Sisters?

The central question is unresolved: were Ann Marsden (baptised 1746) and Millicent Marsden (c.1756?) sisters, daughters of Ann's father John Marsden? And if so, was Millicent's daughter that tragic first wife Ann Shaw?

Millicent Shaw is buried in 1817 aged 61, which would make her born c.1756 — young for a 1772 marriage given no special note in the registers but I could be swayed about that. We have already discounted the tempting baptism at Hope in 1755. (The year 'fits' but the family at this point are surely in Holmesfield.)

In theory we have no baptism (for Millicent in 1750s nor her putative daughter Ann Shaw in 1770s), no wills (except for the Shaw document of 1813) and we are trying to nail jelly to the wall.

The most promising route to firm resolution may be mitochondrial DNA. Ann Marsden’s female line ought to carry the same mtDNA as Millicent's if they were sisters.

The first wife has abundant female-line descendants; the second wife's line has proved elusive.

DNA and Future Research

Recent exploration shows that Ann Marsden's female lines are frustratingly thin on living representatives despite prolific daughters and granddaughters. The Elliotts alone managed 10 female line granddaughters but all lines appear to have failed! The following remain of interest to our enquiries: Martha Damm[s] (1782), Maria Damm[s] (1792), Ann Sykes (1800) and Ann Gee (1795). One day we may know more.

Perhaps one of them is the mother of Henry Damms Lindley (1829) who I spotted in some local registers.

So the pattern, because it bears repeating is:

• Holmesfield, Marsdens, Millicents

... and Nathaniel Gee marrying two women who seemingly had a good deal in common:

(1) Ann Shaw c. 1774, grandmother of my Millicent (1826), and perhaps daughter of another Millicent (Marsden)

(2) Millicent 'Amelia' Damm c. 1778, step-grandmother of my Millicent (1826), and surely this part is certain, niece of Millicent (Marsden) Shaw

Conclusion

I should think the chance of the second wife being called the family name of Millicent**, happening to have an aunt named (Millicent) Shaw from Holmesfield, who resided in Eyam/Chesterfield, when the first wife was definitely a Shaw from Holmesfield whose daughter resided in Eyam/Chesterfield... just cannot be chance. This seems a good approach with which to argue the case.

What next?

(1) The next sensible move is to mine Ann Damm’s 1810 will some more, to look again at Robert Ellis's family, and to pursue the faint mtDNA trail through the remaining female lines.

(2) I have stood in Holmesfield churchyard already in a February of yore. I don't think standing there again is going to help - despite this suggestion from AI - which was otherwise very helpful in helping me speak plainly about this complex befuddling web.

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* Nathaniel's daughter Ann (1796) was baptised at Holmesfield, but with his second wife being from there (and allegedly barely 18) it was natural for the first child to be born in the bride's home parish. Incidentally his father also married a woman that was 16 (in 1767) so Nathaniel marrying an 18 year old followed by a 16 year old is odd or even reprehensible in our eyes but see here for background.

** Millicent (1826) could have been named after her mother's stepmother Millicent Damm or her mother's likely grandmother Millicent Marsden - so the mother's stepmother being called Millicent is perhaps not evidence by itself. But seriously, how many Millicents do you know personally?

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Additional source information

Marriage of Alice Damms to Benjamin Thompson, 1802 at Sheffield.

Marriage of Ann Damms to William Elliott, 1798 at Bakewell. 

Update: Ann Damms widow of George Damms died at Nottingham in 1859 leaving a will and an estate of nearly £1,500.  She names Josiah Elliott and Thomas Gee, 'nephews', as her executors. That will could explain what happened to George's sisters' family, so will try to get for less than £16 !

Suffolk and Leicestershire

My least well known corner of my family I suppose are Henry Smith born 1827 and his sisters. He was from a large family of ten or so and I know nothing of how they were raised. Except that he is catapulted into our family when Miss Mary Flowers, 32 and in trouble, makes the brave decision to marry him on paupers' favourite, Christmas Day, 1850. Three children are quickly rushed out: 1851, 1852, 1853 and Mary is not in the workhouse but still in her uncle's favour at the place he has by right of his wife, Mulbarton Hall. Until the larded owners make their way back from empire construction in India that is. 

Mary vanishes in 1869 into death and we must kiss Mulbarton Hall goodbye never to be seen again.

Now we have leisure 200 years later to look at Henry's sisters. I cannot care about all of them but two stand out from the motley crew: Sarah 1815 and Harriet 1831.

Sarah edged past the precipice of being an unwed mother and at nearly thirty in Lakenham secured her groom Ephraim Goodrum or "good 'un" I should think himself knowing all about being born out of wedlock. They settle as blacksmith and wife at St Margaret Ilketshall and looked after Henry on his becoming a widower. 

Harriet produced the very loyal W. R. Bowgen, obliterated by death but a nexus point around whom these folks collected. They must surely have nearly 300 descendants between them by now. 

And for me the locations are rather wonderful not to mention the romantic inlets of the Waveney and the stories we can hopefully weave. 

Harriet had only two other children, Richard (!!!?) who is extraordinary married three times left six thousand pounds businessmen and three of his children left their spouses another became Mrs Austen (yes that family). And Sophia who died at 26 in Toronto: her family today reside in Lincoln which I knew but also Wigston Leicester and Melton Mowbray which was a real surprise just lately. 

Sarah had a tiny family of four but they solidly took on the north Suffolk area, running large families, smithys and a post office public house or two. A few have DNA tested and match myself. This week we learnt the blacksmith had an extra child in World War Two. So one of Sarah's great grandchildren has actually DNA tested despite as I say this being 200 years ago really. 

Letters exchanged in the 1990s are still on file and every so often a name known from that time appears as genetic match how lovely. Though it hasn't always been easy in the intervening years. A great niece raised in poverty or adopted out, the original contact would never have known.

It's hard to know what personally I've inherited from Henry Smith: hopefully not too much going on his character and some questionable unions in the vicinity. It's a treat having Sarah, Harriet and the strong ties to Halesworth, Beccles, M. Mowbray and all showing you can't change the canvas but you can for sure choose how you look at it.

Newly available Worcestershire record from 1715 helps 8-great-grandpa mystery

Early November 1715 was not a great time to be getting married. The Jacobite army was in full swing in northern England and that might explain why the marriage record is missing. The parish registers for Chaddesley Corbett seem to be missing from August 1715 up until 1717.

Thomas Kidson's wife Sarah had been buried in April, having borne him several children. His next child would be Hannah Kidson baptised 1718, but there would be unique circumstances surrounding her birth. It was not simple. The picture is murky.

Thomas Kidson became a churchwarden in his home of Kinver, Staffordshire. The population may have been just a few hundred as it went from 1500 to 2000 over the nineteenth centuries. He has several hundred yards of pinfolding (nail making). Thomas's will shows some sense of importance wishing to be interred 'in a decent manner as becomes a person of my degree'. He leaves his property to the sole management of his friend John Hodges. To Mary the mother of Hannah, Richard and James Kidson 'the two beds and beding and four pair of sheets which are in the chamber I now lye', plus more including interest of money that is in Mr Fullilove's hands. Mary is also to receive the tubs and furnace belonging to his brewing business, plus pots kettles saucepans and trenchers. This suggests she ran a public house with him. I think his will was made in contemplation of death. It being July 1740 he'd be 55. There is a nice turn of phrase 'I leave to the discretion of my family now at home all the rest of my effects to be disposed of by my executor'. It starts well, but the sentence was presumably dictated by the said executor, who clearly wanted a free reign and was somewhat trusted by those present.

Thomas had older children Mary, Thomas, John Kidson and Sarah Johnson by his first marriage as a teenager to Sarah Davies.

But in November 1715, a marriage licence appears for 'Thomas Kitson widower age 30 of Kinfare Staffordshire to Jane Barford age 25 spinster of Chaddesley Corbett'. This is another rushed marriage, and it must have ended in tears as Thomas is having my ancestor Hannah barely three years later with a new partner Mary, with whom he lived but to whom he was never legally married.

So at last we have something of an explanation, that Thomas was legally married to someone else, namely Jane.

This record https://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/collections/63053/records/97528 
is found in the Worcestershire, England, Marriage Licenses, 1661-1949. 

All change at the Tavern: re-assessing tree leads to changes

For years I've wondered if you really belonged, Harriet Jones, wife of whip-thong maker Thomas Jones of Deritend, Birmingham. Your grandkids made it into my book (page 207 in fact). And your daughter Harriet Jones Hawkins was the first woman to say NO to plural marriage in a law court in the state of Utah, in 1891. She sounded like she ought to belong.

I have several DNA matches to Harriet's husband, Thomas Sunderland Hawkins, but let's remember he was the plural marrying one, so it's perhaps not surprising that half of Utah claim him as their dad. 

The problem started with Thomas Brasier baptised 1742, a customs and excise man. His entry in the IR27 death duty indexes as 'Branscer' names his wife Elizabeth and Elizabeth's own IR27 entry (1852) (turns out to be their daughter), names Joseph Newey as executor. Dr Taylor kindly sent me a copy of Elizabeth's will dated 1828, and listing five nieces, granddaughter of Thomas: Elizabeth Aston, Hannah Wood, Fanny Flavel, Harriet Newton and Eliza Newton.

These events were in and around Dudley, also Cradley Heath, Stourbridge (Old Swinford), Clent and Sedgley. It took a trip to The Hive Worcester to find Eliza's baptism in the right year as Norton, while Fanny is 1851 is recorded as Flavle and indexed as Flook. But it was Harriet that caused the pain.

For some reason I don't appear to have been very logical about my research, waiting until Nancy Brasier (another unmarried family member)'s will (1863) popped through in September 2018 before getting going in earnest. Nancy had the Druid Tavern in the town.

Also, I quickly decided Harriet Newton was born 1803 in Cradley and had married Thomas whipthong Jones in 1826. At the time I didn't have Harriet's baptism, but it did clash with aunt Elizabeth's will (1828) which declared her unmarried.

It wasn't until 2022 that Worcestershire's brilliant parish registers were uploaded to Ancestry. So today I see that Harriet was actually baptised 1809 in Oldswinford and was thus hardly likely to marry in 1826. Further that others are right that the whipthong maker's wife Harriet 'born 1803 Cradley' was baptised 1803 Deritend the son of a couple from Cradley and environs. 

And further that the marriage of Harriet (as 'Darton') in 1835 Edgbaston to Mr Ward, a japanner in the jewellery quarter looks spot on. With her first children named after sister Hannah and her husband Frederic. There is just the small issue of Harriet Newton baptised 1807 Old Swinford (daughter of Samuel) to eliminate.

I had hoped that the Estate Duty Registers for 1863 would confirm Harriet's last name: but as she got less than £20 from her aunt Nancy's estate the clerks weren't fussed about her last name and it's shown as 'Newton'.

This all absolutely explains why there were never any DNA matches from the whipthong maker's daughter in Utah. It has taken far too long to spot this and indeed to type this up, so I'll press send, and consider any points of clarification or useful images, later.

Also:

Henry Newton baptised 1800 turned out to be the grandfather of Thomas Davies (1861) born to an unmarried couple who himself turned out to be the mysterious 'wire drawer' named on the World War One marriage certificate of a son in Leeds.... whose grandson I had found an identified as 'J.D.' on GEDmatch on I think chromosome 6. It was all very labyrinthine.

William and Hannah Newton turned out to be born 'mother Susanna'. More to follow... 

 

Move over Somerset: Staffordshire is the new kid in town (pt 1)

In my youth it was easier finding out what was happening in horse-drawn Somerset than it was finding out what was happening on ITV. And the former was far more wholesome. I had only to hop up a few stairs above 'Next' and the faded leather-bound volumes in the disused probate registry opened so very easily. No remote control needed.

A gain 'here' equalled a piece of information 'there' as all the families east of the Mendips were connected somehow. You just had to find the right button. At 17 one slightly snowy December, I hopped in my elderly Fiesta and took those ancient addresses and went to visit them. Cousins were still there. Ralph Bush (born 6 November 1900), dairy farmer was still alive, nearly doing the tonne. Extraordinary to think that even the car I was driving has lately turned 50 - on some scrapheap somewhere.

But it all had to end. Reunions and memories and beautiful big trees and photographs, gravestones and stories....

Once the Haine Reunion 2005 had happened in Ohio, it was our swan song. The county had no more left to give. Just roads and endless car-ry traffic-fumed angry London visiting road filled roads. Once-pleasant cottages hard juxta'd onto the endlessly rolling tarmac, sucking in more unhappy Londoners bemoaning the stagnant lonely air. Old family strongholds selling up, and nowhere for anyone to live.

What a relief to escape. I was a genealogical nomad for a while, enjoying the links to Wales, to the Peak District, the Lake District fringes and for a while to Colombia. The joy of studying old maps proving far more reliable than smoky old lorry-belching Somerset. Goodbye old friend!

But then one day, a new county raised its head, and things would never be the same again. 

Wrong trees: what to do

There should be a question mark at the end of the title. This is a problem from a few years ago. It felt remarkably personal when there were enquiries about family history through to email, post or even Ancestry message.

There were only four areas of confusion that I can think of right now:

• Hannah 'Robinson' the wife of William Bagshaw of Eyam - born 1792 Chesterfield. There was no baptism that fitted. Thanks to a timely message from Barrie Robinson in 2014 which showed that the William Bagshaw who married Hannah Robinson was alive and well in Sheffield in 1841. And that left the door open to exploring other options. Ultimately Hannah turned out to be Hannah Gee, with baptism, family background and DNA all happily confirming this, and most online trees now do reflect that.
   
• Elizabeth Marshall wife of William Hugo. Ancestry trees are torn on this one. Most have her as born about 1781 in Egloshayle the daughter of John Marshall and Ann Guard. She is actually (as many trees show) born about 1775 in Bodmin the daughter of John Marshall and Jane Stephens. The key piece of evidence for this is the will of John Marshall of Bodmin.
  
  
• William and Jane Hambly of Redruth, Cornwall. The prevailing mood in the 1990s was that this couple had married in 1753 in Duloe, Cornwall rather than in 1757 in Redruth. Furthermore, nobody had clocked that she was a widow nee Jane Bohemia. Most trees do now recognise this and there is proof in that William jr's will names his half-sister's daughter as a niece.
  
  
• Ruth and Rachel Grist of Hemington, Somerset married George Crees a gardener in Bath in the period around 1820. For a while there was doubt that these two were sisters. This seems to have been resolved. I am sure Crees would have been around at an interesting time in Bath's history.
   
• Thomas Haine born 1822 in West Pennard. Because his first marriage took place in Batcombe, Somerset, archive staff suggested that Thomas might have been born as Thomas Haimes (or similar) in the parish, and until the 1881 census was released showing the correct birthplace, the Batcombe Thomas was thought to be everyone's forebear. In addition the family had wrongly suggested Thomas had a middle name of Talbot, which due to careful tree pruning by the family, has been close to eradicated: although see the next point.
  
  
• Ancestry.com has a weakness for made-up middle names for our forebears. It will unfortunately not challenge these and even encourage their proliferation. It might be possible to challenge this by inserting 'NoMiddle' as the middle name.

It is a relief to know that these are now mostly resolved. Possibly human nature and the Ancestry algorithm eventually favour the correct information: but that is by no means certain.

Counties of interest: where my ancestors were

This quick post shows the counties my ancestors occupied.

Somerset, Cornwall, Glamorganshire, Lancashire, Norfolk, Derbyshire, and Westmorland are the main counties from the last 150 years. Going back to 3xgreat-grandparents, we need to include Kent (birthplace of Maria and the place where her parents later lived), Pembrokeshire and Monmouthshire (birthplaces of my Welsh forebear's parents), Northumberland (birthplace of John), County Durham (home of John and Jane).

Going further back we find Staffordshire, Warwickshire, Worcestershire and Cheshire (haunts of my 5xgreat-grandfather Nathaniel), Cumberland (4xgreat-grandmother Jane and husband), Wiltshire (ancestor born there 1660s).

And then there are ancilliary counties of Nottinghamshire (home of James Fox of Gotham widower of Esther), London (where two grandparents are born), (South) Yorkshire, Devon and Suffolk (where ancestral couples marry), Wigtownshire and Kirkcudbrightshire (seemingly where two ancestors originate), Carmarthenshire (home of my Mortons), and arguably Breconshire (where another ancestral couple marries) - but that is now part of Powys which I would be uncomfortable shading in given that we're talking just across the border from Glamorgan.

If we take out County Durham, Suffolk, London and Kent (all somewhat questionable as long-term places of origin), it's been pointed out that I'm remarkably "western half of the UK", with Norfolk very much the outlier.

Nottinghamshire was a capricious inclusion: not only did Esther Fox never live here (she also never lived at Bollington near Macclesfield), but a distant uncle John Barton (1770) was publican at the Warren Arms, Stapleford in the county and succeeded there by his son. I don't have much about Esther-not-in-Notts: she has been well blogged but mostly concerning her time not-in-Cheshire here, here and here.

If I was allowed unlimited collateral connections, then Dorset would feature (uncles William Porch Creed married here in 1828 at Melcombe Regis Weymouth and William Speed the same in 1758 at Dorchester).  

Coming from the other direction, the Huttons and the Dibben sisters take care of many/most English counties, while Isabella Kroll's unexpected marriage in Keswick in 1907 knocks out 13 countries in Europe and beyond with surprisingly little effort.

A good place to end this blog post.

 

Connecting in South Wales

My Hunters and Harrises were from Cornwall.

The Ponsfords and Hanneys were from Somerset.

The Cadogans and Francises were from West Wales.

They all connected in the tinplate works and associated industries around the north of Swansea in the mid-1800s.

My grandfather being from Morriston, Swansea, I knew about many of the family connections. But it is only a bit more recently - thanks to some puzzling DNA matches, and dare-I-say to online trees, that the full picture is emerging. Well some more of it at least.

We knew that the Hanney Silver Band popped up twice - once as my grandpa's maternal half-uncles and secondly as marrying his father's cousin Mary Ann Harris.

I was pretty sure that the Cadogans appeared two times, or three depending how you count, as my grandpa's uncle Tom married a Cadogan and then Tom's cousin Francis married Jessie Ponsford Cadogan as his first wife. The two Cadogans being cousins.

I hadn't appreciated that Francis's nephew David, who married a daughter of Sid Turner, had also married into the Ponsfords. As Sid was a maternal cousin of Jessie and her sister Annie. This helped explain why Sid's daughter was able to put me in touch with Jessie and Annie's grandson back in 1993.

Then we come to the DNA. Why on earth were my Hanney half-blood relatives showing up as DNA matches to the descendants of Elizabeth Rodda Harris, who married in 1869 to Samuel Hynam? It turned out that Samuel's aunt Hannah had married in Marksbury to James Hanney senior, progenitor of the clan in Swansea. (It further emerged that one of the couple's grandsons had married Annie Ponsford Cadogan.)

It emerges that the Hanney cousin was connected to Samuel Hynam possibly up to five separate ways.

Examining the wider Hynam tree just now, I discovered two things:

1) that when I rang Miss Hynam in the Swansea phone book in 1992 I had very good odds of reaching the right branch of the family, as the family though large had sons who mostly left the family area

2) that there are some good candidates including a Lily Hynam living in Coventry who might have invited my mother for an ill-fated visit in the late 1950s

I am almost certain that there most be other hidden connections. I remembered almost having to apologise to folk in Swansea for being connected to the Hanneys twice in such a muddling way, but now I see it is par for the course...