An extraordinary 24 hours in the world of family history... I found out a whole bunch of stuff.
* I had a reply from JM in Barrow whose wife was the family historian. I was pretty sure she was the daughter of John Thompson and Mary Taylor - Mary being the one of a handful of Isabella Barton (1830)'s family to have had issue. And so this proved to be.
* I had a reply from JD in Sherborne whose mother Ivie was born in Durban, South Africa, the child of Cornish parents. It turns out Ivie had 5 children in the 1930s, all of whom are still living, and that she passed away in Zimbabwe. I first heard of Ivie in the will of her grandfather, 1923, Bellevue Terrace, Tuckingmill about 15 years ago. Only now is there this opportunity to find the family.
* I had a reply from AL in Dronfield, Derbyshire with very good information about my Kiveton Park relatives. It turns out my Grandpa's grandma Shugg had a first cousin Grace Emmerson who lived at Kiveton Park. This was not a country house but a mining village in the parish of Wales. Her husband was not only a miner and preacher but builder too, and a son-in-law I understand became the colliery manager. A granddaughter moved to the Dales immediately north of Harrogate where there are some large farms. One of the family married in Jerusalem in 1942 when it was under the British Mandate. The relative was working in the hospital there - it was wartime.
On the bus yesterday to a dear old cousin in the Mendips, the First Great Western bus wiggled its way past THREE of my relatives in the housing estates of south-west Keynsham. Broad streets and plenty of bungalows with retired people actually sitting outside ('in their front gardens!'). I think K. Pearce is somewhere on Lytes Cary Road, but he didn't get my letter or so it seems. Then there was Hutton Close which was home to my Mendip cousin's cousin Barbara, and then the very same bungalow became the property of a Mrs G. Alkins from Halesworth in Suffolk.
The thing is, GA is quite a bit more closely related, being descended from my 3xgreat-grandfather Smith's older sister, of whom he was quite fond. To make it all worse, Smith died it turns out at the childhood home of GA's mother - who lived to 92 and who would certainly have remembered him. I decided long ago I would no longer pursue contact with Mrs Alkins (now herself 90) because of advancing age. It was nonetheless galling for the bus to gaily trip past Hutton Close and know that the only human memory of ggggfather Smith was there for the asking inside that bungalow.
In Bristol the same day, I twice jogged past CreedBet, which information online confirms is run by the son and grandson of my Granny's first cousin L G Creed, described at his father's death as 'turf accountant'. Who would have thought that the betting gene would run through 2 more generations.
Two other short bits of story resolved themselves in the morning: the father and son both named Peter Hill, of Penzance were found, the father having passed away last year at Praze-an-Beeble. I find it interesting that it was only the Rodda children who moved away from Crowan that had family there - Mary left in 1841 and Thomas the same year, yet the brother who remained has no family in Cornwall whatsoever (one, in Reading, only, and the rest in Australia).
The other puzzle being the deaths of William and Catherine Bell, Methodist minister and his wife, both of which took place in 1925 as per the Methodist records at John Rylands Library, Manchester. Catherine's took place first a matter of weeks before her ancient aunt Jane; while William (who'd been ill for at least 15 years) struggled on till the end of the year looked after by their daughter Florence Sloss. Catherine's early death dispels my fancy that she lived on until the war. It renders impossible that any of the Sloss family in Bangor, Co. Down, would remember the Bells at all. Florence's next of kin are none other than the Butler-Slosses of judicial fame. It seems then that both Catherine and her eldest sister Arundel had, despite producing many children and some grandchildren, no heirs to continue - and that both lines are now extinct. A most unusual situation. The only grandson in America said he had no family and was buried by the Veterans' Bureau. I spoke to 2 of Arundel's granddaughters on the telephone, before the line was extinguished. But it is Catherine's line I'd really like to have known.
I messaged Yvonne F. in Florence, Massachusetts the granddaughter of Judith Marshall from Bodmin. Judith was brought up by great-uncles and aunts as her parents had gone up to Ashton-under-Lyne with all the other children. Judith alone remained down in Cornwall and died aged 97 in or near Newton Abbot. Yvonne would certainly remember her. On her Facebook page she had Exeter College listed as a previous place of study. As I ran past this earlier in the week, I thought Yvonne would like to know.
The biggest mystery of the day to crack was the 3 Rose sisters of Decatur, Illinois. I've been over the data, that I now have, and don't see how I'd have gotten anywhere without the October 2003 Decatur Herald and Review obituary that I located today. I was at the British Library, renewing my pass (for another 3 years - hurrah!) and had had some success with the British papers. I had definitely tracked down US papers from the available databases (ProQuest, Gale &c) and was determined to get something out of them again.
I followed the links to British newspapers from Newsgroup and then backtracked out of UK records to the US and was very surprised to find Decatur's Herald and Review on the list of available papers. It claimed only to cover the last 10 years, but I found records back to 1992 or more.
My first search (under the Rose girls' father's name) yielded a result straightaway and I quickly went to the page (the above obituary in 2003) so I could capture the information before it could disappear. The obituary (which was for the eldest Rose girl) gave me sufficient information which coupled with Intelius.com, Facebook.com and the Washington State marriage indexes up to 2004, meant I could construct trees down several generations. The Rose girls were in a strong position to take forward the mitochondrial DNA of their ancestors the Murrows, though only the middle one is known to have granddaughters, but as these are married, the line may well continue.
Looking back over the resources, I definitely could have found this from GenealogyBank's collection (1990-) but would have had to pay a monthly recurring fee, so am kind of pleased I didn't know they had this article.
That just leaves the British newspapers, which gave my some surprising results, see next entry.
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10 Apr 2014
24 Nov 2013
Lost memories
I am still cross nearly 20 years later about a missing letter. My great-grandmother had several cousins and most of them had names that fitted her own social standing - Joyce Summers, Una Hatch, Ellen Glover. One of these, another Una, wrote to me in 1996 at Burchett's Green College, Berkshire. I can just see the letter now, perched behind the bar which was where all student correspondence was kept. Slipping down behind a steamy dishwasher or falling into a pile of bills. Never to see the light of day again.
After Una's death, her son remembered the letter. Yes she had written one, he said, and it had been full of family information. At the time he hadn't been interested, but now that he was, could he have a copy of the letter! I suppose I could fax him an image of a nice clean beer glass, post him a box of big blue cleaning roll, or hand him the keys of the now-closed college for him to search himself.
Much of the blame for this lies on uncle Arthur Smith, who is edited out so fiercely from the family tree, that leaves you wondering if the official records are in error. Gladys claimed there was only one uncle and he was variously listed as '?' or William. Clearly you weren't expected to ask too much about him, still less enquire if there was yet another uncle.
But there was, and he'd come to London during the gasworkers' strikes of the 1890s, to work as a blacklegger. He stayed long enough to sire 12 children, before allegedly going off to Australia (this story borne out by two separate branches of the family). It says a lot for the widow that most of the children survived and several fought in the First World War. They didn't really leave Bermondsey much, and the thought of them ever meeting their Muswell Hill cousins does leave one pondering. It would be about as socially awkward as the Edwardians could devise.
A tidal wave of news came pouring in from Bermondsey - I even rang up one of the cousins who lived in the towers near Millwall. A pint at the Hobgoblin got us going, but I'd need more than a pint to take in 90 years of missing history. These memories weren't so much lost as scattered to the four corners of south-east London.
I don't feel the 92 boxes of Jim Mortimer's life as trade union leader and Labour Party official fit into my notion of my family at all - yet he had been married to Arthur Smith's granddaughter.
This time he brought yet another factor into the equation. Supposing all my calculations are correct, Gladys now numbers among her cousins the wonderfully-named Victoria Ulander, wife of Axel.
We got closer to real human memories with a surprise letter from great-granddaughter Eileen. It shouldn't have been a surprise as it was in reply to mine- but I was innured to non-response. I'd phoned great-great-granddaughter Eileen who was interested to see there was this other Eileen. But other Eileen wrote me screeds and I left it too late to meet her, I think. Not sure of Jane's role here, but her eldest son apparently lost her the farm.
James Chappell's will from 1867 records Thomas Haine as a witness. And one of the Haine boys later took over his farm, Manor Farm, now the site of the Royal Naval Volunteer Reserve at Yeovilton. So if the Chappell boy gambled away the farm, how did one of the Haine's get it?
58 years later, Jane's obituary tells us nothing at all - she is absent from it. The closest we get is her own son's obituary in Decatur, Illinois. He'd done well for himself and the paper wrote at his passing (and boy did he look tired) of his venerable mother back in England. I feel this gave Jane a role and in lieu of photographs, stories, this is at least something.
For other female members in this family, there's nothing. I have a character-filled photograph for one, a clearly chequered life for another, a decent obituary here, but for one or two women there's nowt.
One Christmas, 19 years after finding out about them, I decided to interrogate freebmd, and emerge with some credible identifications of the Taylor siblings that I knew about, including Mary L.
Incredulously, I found only one Mary L Taylor matched. The data seemed to tell me she died in Queensferry, Flintshire in 1951, leaving a will. That was one sibling sorted. It was all ok, but everyone was dead. The one thing Joyce had revealed was a cousin Rhona still up in North Wales. Combing through all the births in Wales showed only one girl who matched. Lucky or what? I did write her a letter, but chances like this needed another approach. By bicycle. I cycled off the border hills and into Mold, and was able to get an hour with Rhona at her bungalow. She even guided me back down the hill into Queensferry as a bonus.
The short of it is that 120 years after Grandpa's aunt died, the resulting Taylor offspring have now been pinned through stories and photographs and those nearly lost memories have been properly found.
After Una's death, her son remembered the letter. Yes she had written one, he said, and it had been full of family information. At the time he hadn't been interested, but now that he was, could he have a copy of the letter! I suppose I could fax him an image of a nice clean beer glass, post him a box of big blue cleaning roll, or hand him the keys of the now-closed college for him to search himself.
Hard-to-swallow
It was something of a shock to discover that a large number of Gladys's cousins weren't upper middle-class at all. Some of them weren't even middle-class.Much of the blame for this lies on uncle Arthur Smith, who is edited out so fiercely from the family tree, that leaves you wondering if the official records are in error. Gladys claimed there was only one uncle and he was variously listed as '?' or William. Clearly you weren't expected to ask too much about him, still less enquire if there was yet another uncle.
But there was, and he'd come to London during the gasworkers' strikes of the 1890s, to work as a blacklegger. He stayed long enough to sire 12 children, before allegedly going off to Australia (this story borne out by two separate branches of the family). It says a lot for the widow that most of the children survived and several fought in the First World War. They didn't really leave Bermondsey much, and the thought of them ever meeting their Muswell Hill cousins does leave one pondering. It would be about as socially awkward as the Edwardians could devise.
A tidal wave of news came pouring in from Bermondsey - I even rang up one of the cousins who lived in the towers near Millwall. A pint at the Hobgoblin got us going, but I'd need more than a pint to take in 90 years of missing history. These memories weren't so much lost as scattered to the four corners of south-east London.
I don't feel the 92 boxes of Jim Mortimer's life as trade union leader and Labour Party official fit into my notion of my family at all - yet he had been married to Arthur Smith's granddaughter.
Hard-to-find
With all this talk of Arthur it was easy to forget there was another brother, William Smith. What had happened to him? I knew that he was born in England in 1851, and surprisingly, this was pretty much nearly all that was required to find him - in Jamestown. Hard-to-find? I don't think so.This time he brought yet another factor into the equation. Supposing all my calculations are correct, Gladys now numbers among her cousins the wonderfully-named Victoria Ulander, wife of Axel.
A sense of who she was
It bothered me for ages that more and more data was accumulating about the lives of the Chappell children - who were orphaned in 1867 and who did more and more interesting things. Several new members emerged as well. All of these were notionally under the auspices of their mother and grandmother Mrs Jane Chappell who survived until 1925 age 95. This age may not be so remarkable today, but consider her oldest brother left England in 1832 to practically found the colony of Tasmania. That she survived the majority of her nephews and nieces (one of whom left her a legacy in her will as if resigned to the fact she would live forever). And because many of the generations rolled around so quickly, there was barely a year after 1900 when some new significant thing didn't happen.We got closer to real human memories with a surprise letter from great-granddaughter Eileen. It shouldn't have been a surprise as it was in reply to mine- but I was innured to non-response. I'd phoned great-great-granddaughter Eileen who was interested to see there was this other Eileen. But other Eileen wrote me screeds and I left it too late to meet her, I think. Not sure of Jane's role here, but her eldest son apparently lost her the farm.
James Chappell's will from 1867 records Thomas Haine as a witness. And one of the Haine boys later took over his farm, Manor Farm, now the site of the Royal Naval Volunteer Reserve at Yeovilton. So if the Chappell boy gambled away the farm, how did one of the Haine's get it?
58 years later, Jane's obituary tells us nothing at all - she is absent from it. The closest we get is her own son's obituary in Decatur, Illinois. He'd done well for himself and the paper wrote at his passing (and boy did he look tired) of his venerable mother back in England. I feel this gave Jane a role and in lieu of photographs, stories, this is at least something.
For other female members in this family, there's nothing. I have a character-filled photograph for one, a clearly chequered life for another, a decent obituary here, but for one or two women there's nowt.
Turning it around
When cousin Joyce died a few years following first contact, my heart sank. She'd never after all told me anything of her mother's eight siblings, only that they existed. I had no names, or if I did that's all there were. It was tough to get any information.One Christmas, 19 years after finding out about them, I decided to interrogate freebmd, and emerge with some credible identifications of the Taylor siblings that I knew about, including Mary L.
Incredulously, I found only one Mary L Taylor matched. The data seemed to tell me she died in Queensferry, Flintshire in 1951, leaving a will. That was one sibling sorted. It was all ok, but everyone was dead. The one thing Joyce had revealed was a cousin Rhona still up in North Wales. Combing through all the births in Wales showed only one girl who matched. Lucky or what? I did write her a letter, but chances like this needed another approach. By bicycle. I cycled off the border hills and into Mold, and was able to get an hour with Rhona at her bungalow. She even guided me back down the hill into Queensferry as a bonus.
The short of it is that 120 years after Grandpa's aunt died, the resulting Taylor offspring have now been pinned through stories and photographs and those nearly lost memories have been properly found.
4 Aug 2010
Finding Edward Jones
I've had some luck with my Bagshaw Carr connection. T G Carr left a will in 1919 naming lots of known relatives and a couple of new ones, particularly one, nephew 'Edward Jones', who had been plaguing me ever since this will arrived in the mail. I have finally found Edward. It turns out T G's eldest sister Martha Ann was the responsible party. The 1881 census for Liverpool makes it all look so easy, provided you knew what you were looking for. Martha A Jones is listed, with a son Edward, plus some daughters too. Her birthplace, Eyam, and age given match also. Still without specifically looking for her as Jones in this particular census you would have come a cropper. She married in Sheffield in 1862 and then remarried at Bootle in 1877 finally becoming the much needed Mrs Jones. I would like to acknowledge Lancashire bmd for hurtling me down this genealogical bobsleigh. I asked it which Carrs had married a Jones and it thoughtfully provided the Bootle 1877 couple listing Martha as both Healey, a corruption of her first married name, and Carr, her well beloved maiden name. I've found a Jones child, Erminie, wife of Harold Robert Butler. I plan now to run Edward to earth despite his fiendishly common, or in Heirhunters parlance,'bad', last name.
I have now found Edward's baptism and marriage and made a dangerous assumption that he had a son lately living in the Wirral, bp: 26 Oct 1879 St Martin in the Fields Liverpool; marr: 23 Jun 1901 St Athanasius Kirkdale, Liverpool. I will now get the will of his sister which would struggle to add to the recent haul.
Update: the sister's will and existence confuses everything. Her heiress Ilene is upset at the illegitimacy involved. A third sister's existence in Manchester is stated and proving hard to iron out. Edward Jones, our original man, got his son through Wharton and lived to see his super-feminist granddaughter Barbara G Jones (Walker) born.
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