23 Jan 2012
Somerset to New York: and did it rain
Twenty-three days
Great Scott!
Being held by a young Wesley
Long forgotten were two tedious stories by my great-grandfather Rev'd A H Creed, whose memories I typed up in the 1980s, and which now seem to have disappeared.
1) that a bankrupt Scottish Laird had come down to Somerset to begin again. I doubt it. I shall file this story under our most un-Scottish Scotts.
2) that an ancestor of Albert's was held as a baby by John Wesley, founder of Methodism, and perhaps also perhaps baptised by him. Let us examine this one more closely. Albert gave us some details about the baby: she was a girl, and she was his great-great-grandmother. The good news is that the dates fit. Such a child would be born before the 1750s, when there was a good deal of Methodist activity in Somerset. I am going to list his great-great-grandmothers and, to be exhaustive, those of the next generation as well:
* Rachel Coombs c 1733
* Ann (later Padfield) c 1735
* Betty Young 1742 - daughter known to have hated Methodism
* Jane Lester c 1750 - church-goers
* Mary Earl c 1752 - church-goers
* Miriam Bond 1753 (twice) - mother known to have attended church
* Mary Portch c 1756 - church-goers
* Mary Hill 1763 - wrong generation
* Betty Scott 1778 - too late
* Martha Scott c 1784 - too late, though no baptism found
* Priscilla Newport 1784 - church-goers
We have CofE baptisms for many of these and several passed onto their children a strong Anglican inclination, as noted. The ground thins fast leaving us with two options, Ann Padfield and Rachel. I strongly suspect that some of Rachel's grandchildren became Methodists, but her own children seem linked in to the church.
Albert's brother said they were fifth in the line of Methodists, and the strongest Methodist line were the Padfields of North Somerset, a mining area. Methodism took hold here in those early days, far more than in the southern Mendips. Yeoman farmers were very comfortably off at this period: vast diaspora of farmers had yet to contribute to low wheat prices. I think Wesley was in North Somerset fairly early, with his deputies, Adam Clarke, Jabez Bunting, working the ground later.
About Ann Padfield, we know that she died fairly young. Her married a proud woman, certainly a church-goer, who kicked out his son. We know the boy’s uncle Isaac remained a Methodist, probably since those early 1730s, and supported the boy as he too found his faith and purpose.
So my candidate for this story is Ann, being held by a 32 year-old Wesley in a Somerset mining community, and whose brave son would have been proud to carry the memory onward. But we shall have to check Wesley's diaries to find his movements in more detail.
I predict a baptism
Sometimes you can guess a record's existence before ever you get proof. George Scott of Butleigh had a daughter Miriam born 1818. Odd, as this was the name of his uncle's wife, who had died before he was even born. Unless perhaps there had been a 'middle Miriam' - for example, a sister of George. And so it proved. There were two, in fact: Miriam Scott 1791 and then Miriam Scott 1794-1818 were born shortly after their uncle's wife had died. This last Miriam passed away shortly before the birth of the girl in 1818.
It's on the net, it must be wrong!
I am an impatient transcriber and thoroughly resenting going through centuries-old parchment for a location which ought to have been included in the catalogue. I mournfully wound my way through the Ditcheat PRs in Taunton and it became obvious a much larger Scott family existed. It was frustrating not knowing if they were close relatives, and being boggled by the out-of-sequence names.
Skellingtons
Charles John Creed was born in 1886 in Holborn, the only son of his father, who later remarried. Charles appears to be living in Paddington age 25, a seaman, unmarried, with an incorrect and implausible birthplace listed. Two years later someone of his named married there to Annie Skellin, an Irish girl who already had a son, from perhaps her time in service in St John's Wood. This unlikely couple appear not to have hit it off, as there is no trace of them emigrating, having children, or living together.
However, Charles's father bought a property in Pimlico Road, having done well as a furniture dealer, in fact it may have been the shop. It was to this address that Charles John is registered in 1934, with a lady, not Annie. Through following him onwards in the electoral roll we find his son, and learn the identity of his second wife, Edith. It appears they never married, Edith having arrived in London aged 18 from Canada where she had spent 4 years in servitude as part of an English charity's then policy to rehome 'waifs and strays'. Edith's father was unable to cope with three children, and it was the girl who was sent from her charming Shropshire home town, to the horrors of the home in Hull. But perhaps they were kind to her, poor girl she had no other option.
One hopes that she fell in love with Charles Creed, and was content with separation from the Skellin lady. If Annie Skellin was Catholic, divorce would have been an impossibility, and Charles John would have been trapped. We would find it very hard to piece together this story and learn of Charles's story, and of Edith's childhood, without the London electoral roll's now on Ancestry.
The female line of the Scott sisters
The last grandchild
I rarely get to do much on my Scotts, the family of James Scott and of Miriam Bond. We know so little James, though his name was given to several grandchildren and beyond. A descendant in South Africa, Rev'd L S Creed, baptising his daughter with middle name Scott, 1918, the same one he had.
Then came his will in 1995. The pitiful estate duty extract on poor-contrast microfilm gives us a wealth of genealogical data. He names three daughters Betty Haine, Sarah Boyce and Martha Crud. In addition he names a grandson, and also Francis Scott. Francis was nominated executor, and revealed as a brother on this tiny scrap of film.
I'd never heard of the Boyces, but the name Crud. I looked again, could that be.... it was CREED, in fact the name of the main family I was researching! Betty's granddaughter married Martha's grandson sixty years later, and I am their descendant, so this document explains the connection very nicely.
I tracked the Boyces to London, their most prominent son having left an administration. A trip to Guildhall Library gave me his address, and then, oh joy the 1871 census which led me to descendant Celia with whom I had many years of happy correspondence.
1. Betty had: James, Frances, Miriam (dy); William, Sarah, Mary Ann, Ann, Elizabeth (dsp); Martha, Susanna, Jane (issue). All discovered 1992 and traced, except Elizabeth whose fate, in Port Antonio, Jamaica, I did not learn till 2002. The clue here being an old newspaper article about William: ‘As brother-in-law of a West Indian missionary, he fittingly occupied the chair.’ I leapt to the, correct, conclusion that Elizabeth had married a Methodist minister, and found that his movements matched an 1881 census entry for his third wife and issue. Solved.
2. Martha had Elizabeth (dy); James (?), Ann (dsp); Mary, Thomas, William, Sarah, John (all with issue). Three were identified prior to 1992 by cousins. Thomas raised his head later, and was not inked in till 1998, when a census finds him a very old man in Kent. The final three of Mary, John and Ann were the result of searching for 'born West Pennard' on the Ancestry database. Ann resisted capture until 1901, when she is found living with Sarah's children as their housekeeper. Because the original 1901 census production was so dreadful, I missed a lot of clues, it being too expensive to look at the actual records. Solved bar James.
3. Sarah had Martha, Hannah, Miriam (d in their 20s/30s); Sarah, Elizabeth, Stephen (dsp); James, Francis (issue). All discovered 1995 bar two. We found Sarah's marriage in the Ancestry/LMA index, but Elizabeth’s marriage has so far only been indexed at the GRO. I solved her only in 2012. So it Sarah and her surviving children went to London in about 1830. We do not have records for her husband in the capital but I think he was there. Two nephews plus a niece, later came to London. Now solved.
12 Jan 2012
Wood hunting
The Wood girls Dorothy lived for many years in Scotland as Eva, and her sisters all opted for an easier life in Surrey. But Wood you believe it? Dorothy died in England, and Eva, the sister, in Scotland! No wonder I couldn't find them. If anyone had died in Scotland I'd not have thought that 'Eva Wood'!
I have finally broken my duck and paid some hard cash to use Scotland's People. As someone for whom my Scottish line is entirely unknown, but likely to hail from Kirkcudbrightshire, I am certainly racking up the Scots connections.
Dora's will told me that her brother had family in Falkirk. I spent two hours interrogating Scotland's People and this was an occasion where I managed to get the information I needed at no cost.
primitive conditions and pins in Eyam
Meet Mr Zero
secrets of the deep web: the Welch girls in New Zealand
I felt sure that Jane would have accompanied her sister Louisa and husband Albert Smith who had married in 1884 and also similarly disappeared. Sure enough here is the birth of their child Faith in the helpful NZ birth indexes. I later found Faith and her sisters listed in the NSW death indexes, unmarried. But there was a fourth sister not listed - perhaps she had married? Indeed Hope Bischoff is the one lead on this line.
Tracing Wilcie Urch across husbands and seas
Wilhelmina Margarina Urch was born in Ireland 1875, and these notes follow my tracing her, from the 1901 census, through to her birth record, a choppy crossing of the Atlantic, and switching husbands on arrival. It was nice to find the distant 1910 census entry of steely Ohio obliquely referencing her father's birth in England (at pretty Cossington) and mother's apparently in Ireland - which was significant information, if true. There are plenty of Urch cousins who knew about auntie Wilcie, if not her actual antics. The only real puzzle is an older one, if the boy born at Cossington in 1832 was the grandson of James Lucas of Baltonsborough.
Little clues, big stories
Although eight people witnessed the marriage of Mary Moses (bapt. 1 Jan 1782) at Morland in 1808, NINE witnessed the marriage of another Mary Moses at Morland in 1805, including people who look a lot like the first Mary's parents! Both marriages took place 'by licence', but the second-listed couple were poor as church mice, while my Mary and her husband were both members of the Westmorland yeomanry.
I am only now sure of this identification, because of this chunky roll of microfilm at Kew.
Despite its old-school technology it delivered fairly well on facts. In fact when I later got the will, thanks to the kind offices of Cumbria Archives, it added little to this concise yet sprawling record. I knew that Mary Dickinson had died in 1850 by combing freebmd, and I had checked findmypast's death duty index to find that there was a will. I was now examining the indexes themselves on microfilm, part of the tortuous IR26 series. The first thing which leapt off the page was not the name Dickinson, which I was expecting, but that of Watson. The Watsons I quickly recalled where family of Mary's full sister Hannah, in fact it turns out Joseph was the eldest of that brood, and oldest male of the next generation. I needed to see his address - could that be Scale Houses, circled in orange? It surely was, and although the will disappoints by not stating him as nephew, in fact it would have been odd had she done so. It is enough that she chooses him as executor.
Further proof came in the transcriptions by Rev. Joseph Bellasis MA, in the 1880s, including those for the parish of Clifton, Westmorland. Mary is recorded as having died in April 1850 aged 68, which of course fits so beautifully with the 1782 baptism that we can forgive her not surviving another year till the next census. It is harder to forgive her stepmother, who would not die until July at 90, for not lasting another winter. Had she done so we would be told in which part of Scotland she'd been born!
On a roll
I have got a trip to Kew booked, and also six delightful electoral registers zooming their way down the motorway from Boston Spa. I used these last week to successfully find my John B Jones, and am now hooked! The electoral rolls for the address I had in the Midlands showed that John's wife was Ann E. He was the only John B in the entire country to have a wife named Ann E.
This made it very easy to find them in North Wales, and to drill down and by sheer determination get their address - only to discover they had moved to Cheshire! But we are now in touch, and I have discovered that his sister actually had an unusual first name which she didn't use - another barrier to me finding the family, apart from the well known name of Jones!
I can't take a picture I'm afraid: they are very strict about electoral rolls at the British Library. I am just slightly further ahead in finding my Tom Jones of Queensferry. I found his son in the 1950 electoral roll for Sealand, lately married, and Tom appears to be living next door with his wife... but this turns out to be wrong. Tom was not this man but was living at Garden City.
Found in Bradford
Update 2014: I arrive at the home of their great granddaughter clutching a pack of frozen peas, having been nearly sliced in two by a crazed woman from Luton. The Barnie family had tried to find Sarah's origins but were hampered by not knowing her birthplace. They might have located the Atkinson first marriage, but as Sarah's birth record apparently occurs in London (actually she was registered correctly in Westmorland but as Shield), they had no idea of the Northcountry origins.
A wellspring of descendants - all thanks to the right church
I knew that Joseph Gibson married at St John the Baptist, Newcastle 1862, but I had no idea what had happened to his sister Annie born around 1840 in Westoe, South Shields, a taverner's daughter. Her dad kept the Waggoners Arms in Westoe.
It took me two years until today to guess that his older sister Ann had probably married at the same church two years earlier. I searched through all the marriages at the Newcastle register office website which were for Newcastle itself, with this thought in mind, and I found several entries where the all-important page number had been misindexed at freebmd. Ah-ha, Gibson to Edwards.
(Tidying up this article 6 years down the track, I can't remember how the Newcastle register office site actually helped. I think it might have listed spouses, or at least given the church? It certainly doesn't do that any more!)
Sure enough the certificate confirmed the marriage at St John the Baptist of Ann Gibson, innkeeper's daughter.
But that very evening, having fixed the mis-indexed page, I already knew Ann's marriage (to carpenter Edwards) was right. The censuses and childrens' names all stacked. I even found their great-grandson was a Newcastle cartoonist (Doug Smith). Then a photo online of Doug's daughter (below). I eventually got a letter back from her, only to find she was living about half a mile along an old railway line from my rooftop eyrie, over the blue barking night skies of London.
using the Death Duty records at Kew
three countries and a Surrey phone book
gotcha- marriage of Eleanor from Windermere
findagrave helps find the female line in Graceland
Update: eldest girl Maxine has her obituary on genealogybank, which leads me to the other sisters. The middle girl is indeed continuing the Murrow line.
John Fry in Canada
they'll always be Smiths
By golly it's Bollington
You can do all this at the touch of a button, but I had the upper-hand, genuinely being on virgin territory. I don't even believe the local family history society had even yet attempted a crude surname index, and the various 1881 indexes on fiche were absent too. I was very confused to find a whole load of Fox stepchildren mingling with Esther's children in the census owing to James having taken n his brother's children and their mother, too. The family was living across 5 counties by 1891, but I have finally laid them all to rest, 18 years later.
Singer song of sixpence
finding that marriage before 1837
Clues lurked like chirpy birds around my family tree, but I still hadn't worked out who Mary Creed, born 1811 West Pennard had married. I plugged the names into the Somerset Marriage Index, now online at findmypast, and only the marriage at Pylle 1835 seemed to fit. I looked at children baptised at Pylle 1835-1841 as shown on familysearch, and the name Rhymes came up.
When I searched for Mr Rhymes marrying in 1835, here comes the man, with the reference exactly matching Mary's, telling me he was the groom. The census confirmed Mary's birthplace. That just leaves one of the nine Creed siblings yet to find, and I believe he died in America as a young man.
the death of the Lewis sisters of Rushey Green
Tragedy came in 1920 when four of Sarah’s sisters were all killed on the same day in 1920 at 6 Rushey Green Catford according to freebmd and the Probate Index. I haven’t established what happened but suspect it can only have been a fire. They seem to have conducted a small baby’s clothing manufacturing business from home.
Bertha was visiting from Horwood Hall, Havant and because her will was proved, we get the date of the accident - 21 April. Another sister had died there six months earlier, presumably of natural causes.
The oldest sister had been there almost 20 years and was quite likely to be present on the night, but she died at Horwood Hall two years later, having had to administer the estates aged 86.
The Thompsons of Scar Top
Having established that this family neatly slotted into my Moses family, from Netherton near Carlisle, I wanted to look at the clue left by Mary Lago in her excellent book about Edward. She names a grandchild, who it looked like was the child of Annie Thompson, herself born India.
However, how on earth was I to determine which Annie M Thompson married 1911-20 was the girl born in Trichonopoly! [this was before the 1921 census!]
Luckily the grandchild appears a couple of times on Google with her full name, which enabled me to find marriage, maiden name and then birth, leading me to Annie's marriage in London, and finally the death record which fits in perfectly.
1911 deleted entries at findmypast, now available at Ancestry
found our Annie from the Lakes in Blackburn
Sure looks like my Ellen in Chowbent
Omitted from this account is my method. Well, I wasn't really convinced that Ellen might have died between the censuses. I went through all the Ellens born in Starkholmes, before spotting the Starkholmes reference in the above census. The name Esther clinched it as it was her mother, mother of the brood of nine.
























